Ed Magedson and Steve Miller - claims of ID theft, extortion and death threats
This is one of the crazier stories I’ve been involved in yet and I’ll try to summarize the events during recent months.
Miller was upset because there were a few bad reports at Magedson’s http://bad-business-rip-off.net/ about his “non profit” credit counseling company https://www.federatedfinancial.org/. I didn’t care for Miller’s Ed Magedson “hate site.”
On 11/15/04 I posted here: Is Ed Magedson, owner ripoffreport.com, an extortionist?
I also posted at Miller’s forum and found that Miller did what he accused Magedson of: altering and deleting others’ postings. So I posted at the Fight Back Forum some research on his fake non profit credit counseling organization Federated Financial and the directors’ FOR profit debt negotiation companies. My research and the screenshots: Miller’s contortions, deletions, edits and privacy rights violations
Miller deleted his forum after Thanksgiving, filed suit against Magedson and then put up his new page offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to serving Magedson personally. At one time the site announced that the $10K reward was claimed, then Miller offered a new $20,000 reward.
Ed Magedson wanted me to call him and as just about always when I talk to people on the phone, that was a huge waste of time. He can spend hours explaining and defending all kinds of stuff I’m really not at all interested in. I could not possibly care less why Magedson or anyone else was busted for weed over 30 years ago. I just wanted to give Magedson the opportunity to respond to my “extortion” posting directly at the blog and he chose not to post, at least not under his real name.
Both Magedson and Miller tried to get me to work for their cause - free of charge of course. I’m used to that and I have no intention of helping either one of these low lives.
I found it odd that I started getting email, *supposedly* from Magedson, with personal info on Miller, such as his SSN and DOB.
On 2/12/05, I got e-mail from a with a link to some other forum and postings about Miller and the BBB:
”STRIKE WHEN THEY ARE DOWN CHRISTINE
Feel free to copy and paste any information from the following link below:”
Busy as I was, I just filed it. Whoever wrote that is obviously demented - striking people when they’re down isn’t my style.
On 2/15/05, I got this mail:
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X-Persona:
Return-path:
Envelope-to:
Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:35:16 -0500
Received: from [63.164.145.161] (helo=[10.0.1.3])
by vps.creditcourt.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44)
id 1D1D9w-0000tG-0O
for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:35:16 -0500
To:
From:
I read some where that you were going to sue me and my company.
Idle threats from a woman suffering from menapause.
Put up or shut the fuck up NAZI whore.”
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After the initial reaction “what did Miller smoke?” I looked at the header. The IP 63.164.145.161 belongs to Kinko’s
When I read the news on the Choicepoint sale of consumer data including SSNs to an ID theft ring operating out of Kinko’s, I thought it was time to let Miller know what’s up. I sent him the mails with the headers, the link to the Choicepoint article and I explained to him that this is one of the few occasions when you can actually get law enforcement to act on a complaint. I’m not saying that Magedson is part of that ID theft ring, but if he in fact sent me Miller’s SSN, he obviously obtained it through illegal means, probably through some outfit like Choicepoint.
If Magedson got Miller’s SSN and personal data, for how many other people has he obtained personal data illegally?
And no, I won’t be buying credit reports to check if someone opened accounts in my name. If it turns out that Magedson or anyone else got my data illegally, I’ll sue not just them, but the company who illegally released my data. As regular readers know, I’m not kidding. As a matter of fact, I’d really like to know what gives these companies the right to collect and sell consumers’ SSNs and birth dates.
Unlike the CRAs, these totally unregulated companies do NOT have to disclose to us what they are reporting about us.
Why is that?
And who DID send the hate mail from Kinko’s?
Did Magedson sent the “Nazi whore” mail, illegally identifying himself as Steve Miller? It makes sense because he’s looking for people to make life difficult for Miller and I’m still contemplating suing Miller, especially now since it’s obvious that he didn’t intend to pay any award.
I thought Miller would be thrilled and immediately file his criminal complaint against Magedson, have him arrested, serve him and send me the $20,000 reward.
Instead, Miller left a bunch of VMs and sent me e-mails, telling me that *I* would have to file the police report.
Miller wrote on 2/19/05:
“Right now it doesn’t suit me to file a complaint myself.”
And: “If you want to blow the whistle it’s fine with me. Please feel free to use my name, and let the authorities know that I’m willing to sign a complaint against Magedson TODAY.”
My response: “Just let me know when you need your diapers changed and I’ll be right over.”
That got me an angry mail from Miller: “… I have one name to call you now and I think you’ll hate it more then the crap Ed sent you. Hello witness!! Yeah, you got it. Witness!!!! Digest that one for a while.”
Miller he thinks I didn’t expect to be a witness? After all, I expected him to file a police report and obviously I was prepared to be *his* witness. I had agreed to not publicize the investigation to get to a speedy conclusion.
Miller doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a witness, a hostile witness and a witness who testifies for the opposing party. You better believe Ed Magedson is going to read this posting.
Magedson told me that Miller threatened to have him killed.
Miller claimed that Magedson threatened to kill him.
I really can’t decide which one of them I like less.
Miller never meant to pay the $20,000 reward?
Yup. He just put that REWARD out there to give Magedson a bad name. I realize now that there really is no purpose for the reward - Miller is suing Magedson’s corporation, he can of course depose Magedson and serve him then.
Nor is there any reason to name Magedson personally since Miller and his cronies made a point to publicize the old car Magedson drives and I didn’t see anything about assets.
So, what IS the point of this circus?
I concluded that Miller has some serious mental problems. He got all worked up over a couple bad reports at Magedson’s site. He’s not looking to put Magedson in jail, it looks like all he wants is a SETTLEMENT to have the negative reports removed and to not allow future negative reports. Such a lying scumbag.
Why does Miller NOT want to file a police report?
I suspect there are some very good reasons.
Well, there’s your update on “non profit credit counseling” and “consumer web sites” such as ripoffreport.com.
Posted by Christine on 02/20/2005 at 08:44 PM
Federated Financial credit counseling & Ripoffreport.com • (41) Comments • Permalink
Christine, the reward is not a scam. You may corroborate this easily enough with Federated’s attorneys. If you need their phone number, please email me. It’s true that Federated may be able to serve Ed at his corporation’s deposition; however, this is by no means certain. The original $10,000 reward was indeed taken down anticipating service at his deposition or by some form of constructive service; however, Federated is again attempting service on Magedson, personally, in order to assure its right to depose him sooner rather than later. The $20,000 reward is for real, but it is payable only for information leading to valid service of process upon him. While the information you supplied is greatly appreciated, it doesn’t help us to serve him and so doesn’t meet the conditions of the reward.
Although the judge has allowed Federated to proceed with discovery limited to jurisdictional issues, the question of whether or not Ed, himself, must submit to a deposition on behalf of Xcentric Ventures has yet to be decided. We expect that he will be ordered to appear, but think about it...what if he still does not appear in violation of that court order? It wouldn’t be the first court order he ignored, and he is fairly considered a flight risk.
Personal service on Magedson would eliminate any remaining obstacle to Federated deposing him, personally. His failure to appear will then be the basis of a default judgment against him, individually.
Make no mistake about it, if you supply Federated with the information that leads to actual valid service on Magedson, the reward will be paid to you. You appear to have jumped to the wrong conclusion in eager glee at negatively portraying Steve Miller.
Magedson hides from service of legal process. The reward highlights the truth. To the extent that this warns off some other potential extortion victim, you wouldn’t object to that would you? Reputable characters do not typically hide in spider holes. Federated isn’t the only record plaintiff looking for him.
As for the wisdom of pursuing a personal judgment against Magedson despite the unlikelihood of actually collecting financial damages, Federated pursues equitable relief in the absence of a suitable remedy at law. Any resulting injunction will ideally name Magedson personally. Beyond that, you are naive if you think he isn’t reaping significant revenues from the Rip-Off Report.
Cut the crap. If Miller wanted to find out where Magedson is to have him served, he would have called the law the minute he got my e-mails with his SSN.
I gave Miller the info he needed to located Magedson, he refused to act on my information.
Miller wrote again last night:
“I’m filing a complaint with the authorities on Tues. through my counsel.”
Is Miller a baby or a crook?
How many of the many millions of ID theft victims hired a lawyer to file their complaint? None?
Miller sure is very special.
He also wrote: “I’m looking forward to meeting you at your deposition.”
Miller will NOT be meeting me.
I have reports of him pulling a gun on an employee in the Federated parking lot, excentric and violent behavior at the credit counseling office, an EEOC settlement last year for sexual harassment and Magedson told me that Miller threatened to have him killed by some people in Phoenix and that’s why he is hiding.
I may well be submitting my affidavit to the court and if I find the time, I might just post all communications as I do for the junk faxers and other defendants. It’s a lot of work, but if I have to waste my time on this for the court, I might as well.
If anyone would like a DVD copy of Fox News expose’ on Ed Magedson please e amail me with your address and I’ll put one out to you immediately.
Steve Miller
Will you post this Christine?
This is apparently Steve Miller’s response to my e-mail earlier today:
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“Steve,
You previously wrote that it did not suit you to file a complaint. Now you wrote “You hit the same roadblock as I did down here .”
What “roadblocks” did you hit? Please provide me the name and # for the officer who refused to accept your complaint. Why wouldn’t they investigate?
Christine
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You can’t go around murdering people and justify it by pointing fingers at Charles Manson.
Well, you can, but it’s not a valid defense. Everybody is responsible for their own actions.
Also, do you have written permission from Fox to redistribute their expose?
Christine,
Thank you for the opportunity to post on this forum. I’m not going to make this a war of words like I did on the forum that I used to have up. That was a mistake. I am not Charles Manson, and I have not comitted a crime. I’m not telling you that Ed is bad, to take the focus off of me.I’m the victim here. My Company’s record speaks for itself. We are members in good standing with the BBB. We subscribe to their code of ethics. We have NEVER had a “Where’s the $ problem. We had 5 complaints with the BBB last year all settled to the customer’s satisfaction. We are ISO certified which means that we subscribe to a stringent standard of Quality Control, widely recognized as the world standard. Federated is recognized as one of the true innovators in our industry.
As you know we are currently engaged in litigation with Ed Magedson, and there are certain things I can’t comment on....yet.
I think that if you’re going to allow me to post here, putting up a comment like you previously wrote “that it did not suit you to file a complaint” or “You hit the same roadblock as I did down here “ without posting all the info that goes with it isn’t fair and unbiased writing. Your letter to Mr. Bivens should be mentioned as well as my whole response. By the end of next week there will be a report filed with the local authorities in Arizona. It’s public record and I’ll be glad to give you the information.
Fox doesn’t have to give me permission to hand out free copies of a particular broadcast that I was on. I’m not selling it, or violating any copyright laws. I’m not publishing it. It was available for all to see down here. A note to
gets anyone a copy.
Like I mentioned in the beginning I’m not going to engage you in a war of words on a public forum. We have different opinions. If you’d be kind enough to give me a few days, by the end of the week I’ll be glad to forward you the results (with names, and #’s of the person, or persons with whom I’ve filed a complaint. Please be parient for a few days.
In closing I’d like the cowards who post in anonyminity out there like “Salt” to know that we have many of their IP’s and we know who they are. If they’re so interested in what’s going on, and have so much to say, we’ll allow them to say it at their depositions. That is a word to the wise to all who stick their noses in places they don’t belong.
I’m going to be quiet now for a few days until I can give you the info that you want. I have nothing to hide, and plan on filing all information with the requisit agencys in Arizona to put the criminal Magedson out of business.
That is all from me!
Thank you for the space to post.
Steve Miller
Christine,
Here is a site that has posted the Fox report. Open the link to meet me, and see the report on Ed.
http://www.beiconline.com/index.htm
The most interesting part in that Fox report was the $20,000 REWARD. I’d almost forgotten about that.
A week after I gave you everything you needed to locate Ed, you and your idiotic attorneys (how did those morons pass the bar????) accomplished exactly nothing.
So on Monday I’ll contact your Broward County Sheriff, maybe I can file a complaint against you for sending me the “Nazi whore” mail.
Since you claim that they told your braindead attorney that you have to file your police report in AZ since you *think* Ed is in AZ, (why didn’t you file your lawsuit in AZ?) it seems logical that I should be filing my complaint about the e-mail in FL because I *know* you’re in FL. And you’re not hiding either - just afraid to walk into the Sheriff’s office.
You and your moron attorneys asked for it.
Maybe the Broward County Sheriff can contact Kinko’s and prove you innocent of sending this mail. Maybe not.
You don’t offer a $20,000 award for information leading to Ed Magedson’s service and then ignore my information.
We shall see what happens.
Christine, I just don’t get it. Why does it matter whether Ed is reported last week or this week? Let me back off that question by saying thank you for doing the right thing. It was morally, and legally right to let me know that Ed has illegally obtained my SS #. He’ll pay for that and all the rest.My reward was for any information LEADING TO THE PERSONAL SERVICE OF EDWARD MAGEDSON. Tell me where he is!! Why would I go to the extra expense of filing in Az. when we clearly have jurisdiction in Fl? Ed’s written demands for money in exchange for his illegal services constitute doing business in this State. There’s PLENTY MORE EVIDENCE BESIDES THAT! If we ever need to, we will refile in Arizona. We don’t need to though. Many offers have been made by Ed to many people in Fl. to do business with his Company. In the Fox piece even his lawyers said that he was willing to take $ from me to join his remediation program. THEY’RE ADMITTING THEIR CLIENT DOES BUSINESS HERE!! No, I never asked for this program. I didn’t say “Ed, please write some bogus stuff about me so I can pay you to remove it” Have someone you know do a Pacer search to see how many suites are pending against Ed right now. He just lost one against a Company called Raceway Ford. Check out the Maripoca county public records page. There are others. If anyone wants to follow our suit come to my site @ http://www.bad-business-rip-off.com, and click on the link to the service of Ed’s company. It will take you to the certificate of service and the latest status of the case taken from public records at the Clerk of the Court’s site. Just scroll down. As far as me being afraid of the sheriff,,,,,that’s a joke! The whole world knows where I work, and 99% of the world knows where I live. I’m at the Courthouse every couple of weeks now for hearings on the Magedson case. I’m certainly not hiding like Ed Magedson. To continue to argue with you makes no sense because at this point there is nothing to argue about. This whole thing will play itself out over the next few months and all the truths will be told. If you want to tell me where Ed is, or if any of your readers know, please tell me and claim your reward from Christopher Whitelock Esq. @ 954 463 2001.
Again, the courtesy of posting at your forum is truly appreciated. Thank you.
Steve Miller
“Why does it matter whether Ed is reported last week or this week?”
Because on 2/15/05, when I got the “Nazi whore” mail from *you*, the sender was at a Kinko’s with the IP 63.164.145.161
If the sender was in fact Ed, all you had to do was either pay the Kinko’s employees a few bucks to call you when Ed showed up again, or have them call law enforcement to have him arrested - or both.
Dumb and dumber?
Afraid to file a police report?
The reward is entirely fake?
Maybe Fox should do a followup on the FAKE reward and the fact that you only had 5 BBB complaints last year because you threaten your clients with public exposure of their bankrupt status.
Steve Miller, Federated Financial privacy rights violations
Called the FL Broward County Sheriff Dept., 954-480-4300 spoke with “position 32:”
They will be happy to send an officer to any resident in their county to take an ID theft report.
Of course they’re not driving to AZ to take my harassment report. I have to file that here, since I am here.
Well, I’d sure like to know who Steve Miller’s attorney Christopher Whitelock talked to.
He ought to be disbarred for incompetence.
Thank you Christine,
Chris must have called Lauderdale, instead of BSO. Thank you for your help. I’m at home waiting for an officer right now. I’ll post the complaint#, and the officers name as soon as this process is completed.
Steve Miller
You may want to print this out for the officer:
Ms. Baker,
We certainly want to be of service to you and to assist you in identifying the source of this activity. We do not condone such activities on our systems, and we take complaints such as yours very seriously. Please be aware that we cannot begin the investigation until we have received a subpoena, which should be sent to the FedEx Kinko’s Legal Department:
Araceli M. Castillo
Litigation Paralegal
c/o FedEx Kinko’s
Three Galleria Tower
13155 Noel Rd., Suite 1600
Dallas, TX 75240
Ms. Castillo can be reached directly at 214.550.7165. Her fax number is 214.550.7277.
As soon as our Legal Department receives the subpoena, they will give Security the authorization we need to begin the investigation, and I will be able to start processing our logs to identify the origin of the activity.
If you have any further questions or concerns, please direct them to and you should receive a response within 24 hours.
Regards,
Gabby Cox
Christine,
I just tried to file a complaint with Officer Gorman of BSO’s Parkland Division. He wasn’t willing to take the report explaining to me that there was a jurisdictional issue involved. He was a great guy though and worked with me in calling the Mesa office of the Maripoca County Sherrifs Office, We spoke to a Sgt. Kelleher (sp) who advised us that the Officer to speak with is Detective John Allen @ 602 876 1853. I was told that he gets in @ 7:30 AM your time. I’ll phone him tomorrow @ 9:30 my time and we’ll see what happens. Thanks for trying to help. We’ve both found out it’s not so simple. Depending on Det. Allen and the authorities in Az.it should get done tomorrow.
Steve
I’m amazed that they found out so quickly that the IP 63.164.145.161 belongs to a Kinko’s in Arizona - and suprised that Ed is in Arizona.
My IT guys do it all the time. There’s a free site that gives you immediate results. I will have one of them forward you that info tomorrow so you can do it yourself when you need something fast. I’m glad to hear that Ed is in Arizona. The FBI still hasn’t returned my calls. I will try them again tomorrow.
OK, Here’s the scoop on my Maripoca County Police Report. I spoke to Detective John Allen @ 11AM my time. He seemed quite interested in taking my complaint and when asked told me he didn’t know Ed. I was surprised. He proceeded to inform me that the report I wanted to file had to go thru the proper channels and that meant having a patrolman taking the initial report. (passing the buck? I hope not) He said he’d take it from there and put it in the system. He let me know that the patrolman would be in touch either today or tomorrow. So far no contact. If I’ve not heard from the MCSO by tomorrow afternoon I will rephone Detective Allen. This will get done if it is at all possible.
Steve Miller
Given all the writings on Ripoff report on Mesa AZ on his site I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Ed turned out to be there.
The posts read like he lives there, and I should know I actually lived there.
Report filed with Det. Allen. Waiting for his call back with case #
Spoke to Detective Allen today of the Maripoca Sherrifs Dept. My case # for my complaint against Ed Magedson for stealin, and giving out my SS# is
05-041874
Hope they nail his ass!
A touch subject, but one I’d like to address on your site if I may. A long time ago Christine you mentioned in one of your posts “Where’s the proof?” If Magedson really is an extortionist why hasn’t someone served him, and published the proof. Well we’ve decided to publish his extortionate letter to us, and the audacious letter asking for 50K he wrote to another Company. In addition Ed’s been served personally. Please visit http://www.bad-business-rip-off.com to see it all.
Steve Miller
As I predicted, the $20K reward was nothing but a sham.
Thank you for the opportunity to post. It’s much appreciated. Regarding the reward, of all people you should understand what we did, and why we did it. I’d give my right arm to serve that little weasel. NOBODY, and I mean nobody came forward and gave us a location for Ed Magedson. If we could have handed Ed Magedson service I’d have tap danced to hear from the process server about the look on old Magedson’s face when he heard those 2 words “You’re served” This was good service, and the backdoor way in. We had 25 crank calls, and wild goose chases we were led on in our attempts to serve Ed Magedson conventionally. You and your readers might find it interesting that Maria Speth is still complaining to Fox in writing about their segment on Magedson. When we get these letters during discovery, which they are trying to block left and right I’ll post those too. How about this Christine. I still want to serve that little weasel Magedson personally. I’ll post it again. I’m offering a $20,000.00 reward for anyone who can provide us with information leading to the “Good” personal service on Ed Magedson. It’s still there!! Chris Whitelock Esq @ 954 463 2001 is the person to contact with this info. He still has the $ in his trust account. He will forward all who call to Michael Dana Esq in Arizona and if the information we receive leads to Ed Magedson being personally served I’ll still pay the reward. There is a certain entertainment value, as well as the service in Arizona that still makes this important. I give you my word, and Mr. Whitelock will too if he’s called that payment will be made. Does anyone know where Ed Magedson is hiding?
By the way, I’m sure you know, but many of your readers don’t that what we’ve done is as good as if we handed him these papers personally. We have an affidavit from Magedson distinctly stating that he hides to avoid service all the time. A cowards way out. If it were me I’d look forward to pleading my case in a public forum instead of hiding from the opportunity. I’m offering this reward on you site right now for the good service of Edward Magedson.
Thank you for you sense of fair play in letting me post.
Steve Miller
They (Federated Financial) are not going to pay you (Christine) the 20,000.00 reward?
They would not have found him (Magedson) without your help! You deserve it! I’ve been reading and following this. What a shame. After all that talk about being an upright Company, they had a chance to prove it. Federated Financial is dishonest after all. Who would want to do business with a Company that doesn’t keep it’s word? Not me!
Deb responded prior to my approval of Steve Miller’s posting, that’s one drawback to having to approve every single comment due to the Miller/Magedson clans and their propaganda.
They didn’t actually find ED and serve him, but the State of FL considers him served.
So, the reward is on again.
I can ONLY recommend that even if you know where Ed is, don’t contact Steve.
I gave him everything he needed to serve Ed at Kinko’s - as the documented events show, he entirely ignored the information so he wouldn’t have to pay the $20K.
TO DATE, Steve has not even sent me a copy of the Kinko’s response to the subpoena.
The fake reward has exactly one purpose - to harass Ed.
OK, Now I finally understand. Sending a subpoena to kinkos wouldn’t do us any good. What would I subpoena from them? You already got the IP’s that Ed Magedson used to email you. Knowing the Kinkos that was used does nobody any good. Do you think that Magedson goes there on a regular basis? Do you think Magedson even goes there at all? Ed Magedson probably sends sombody to do his dirty work. Perhaps you know more then I do. Tell me what good subpoening Kinkos would do.
I would pay 20K just so Ed Magedson had to sweat out the service. I can’t believe you don’t get me yet. Yes, Florida accepting substitute service for Magedson is good, but hitting him where he lives is the best way to go.
How about Magedsons extortion letters. What do YOU think?
Steve Miller
For about the 5th time now:
All you had to do was wait for Ed to show up at Kinko’s where he *used* to go to do his illegal deeds.
Of course there might be some people who couldn’t figure it out on their own. In anticipation of such stupidity, I’ve already explained it in much greater detail, including at the time when I sent the e-mail to Steve for prosecution.
I don’t think Steve Miller or anyone else could be that stupid.
Steve, you are a CROOK!
Christine, with total sincerity all I can say is God bless you! I just can’t figure it out, and we both know I’m as dumb as a Fox. Do you really think Ed hits these kinko stores himself? This guy
is living totally underground. If You want the $, call Mike Dana and tell him where Ed is. It’s that simple. Mike will have a peocess server out there within an hour. Chris Whitelock will wire the reward to Mike Dana, and he’ll cut you a check. He has our suit right there in Az. waiting to be served.
Steve Miller
Steve Miller: you lying scumbag!
All this time you told me that Ed sent me the “Nazi whore” mail that has your name on it.
Next week I’ll file my own complaint and find out what’s going on.
I sure hope that nobody else falls for that FAKE reward.
You’re wrong Christine Baker. I told you that Ed sent the email’s and neither of us doubt that he did. You took me WAY too literally. I meant that perhaps Ed did hit the Kinkos with the Az. IP that those horrible words came from....one time. He specifically told me that he never goes to the same places twice for fear of his life. I’m sure he sends one of his minions to do his dirtywork on a regular basis. Why don’t you tell me where the little man Magedson is if you want the reward. I think it’s probably a GREAT idea for you to file a complaint,,,,,just like I did. You have Det. Allen’s #. He’s familiar with Magedson now. That’s a great place to start.
As I’ve said, and meant before I refuse to get involved in a name calling contest with you. I have no ill will toward you, and after reading your site I respect what you do. Please stop calling me names and try to see the truth here. This thing is turning big now, and it looks more and more as it it’s going to be more then just a bunch of civil suits filed by a bunch of Companies. Read between the lines.
Take care,
Steve Miller
Don’t waste your time posting here again. Your posting privilege is revoked.
I regret I sent you the e-mails, live and learn.
christine, calm down for a minute and think about what you have written here. it was my idea to serve ed magedson, personally, through constructive service on the secretary of state, as i explained to you previously. why should steve miller have to pay any reward to have him served, if this will do?
no one has met the condition for the reward yet. period. why should he have to pay it when no one, including you has met the condition? why do you obsess with saying the reward was a scam? have you no genuine scams to expose this week, christine? you even have readers writing in who agree with you, thinking that you found ed. you have grossly misled your readers. what next? maybe we failed to close the cover before striking a match, or maybe we tore the UL label off of some mattress.
i explained before that magedson many lawyers will try and quash this form of service, but we have tried this in good faith and we believe it will suffice. who put a bug in your bonnet? you never qualified for the reward, yourself, and if you think ed could have been served at some kinko’s, well no one stopped you from trying.
the more i look at this, the more i see the real truth. you can’t be objective about this whole thing, for some reason. you want to hate us so badly for some reason that you can’t see the truth. first you said we were scum because we stated that magedson is an extortionist. then we proved it by demonstrtaing that companies from all over the country are claiming the same thing independently of each other. now you want to complain about the reward, instead.
hello, ms. baker, the point here is that we claimed magedson is a lying extortionist and we have already proven this. if you cared about consumers you would admit this and move on. maybe you could first give us our props for boldly standing up to him, even while you criticized us for trying.
chris mcfarland
boca raton, fl
Chris, please don’t post here again.
Steve Miller is a lying scumbag and you’re so dumb it must hurt!
If you think that’s not true, sue me.
You don’t have to hunt me down. You can fax the waiver of service to 571-222-1000.
I am so sick of you morons.
From now on I will delete any other idiotic postings like yours.
If you don’t have any proof that Magadena emailed you from a Kinko’s, where do you come off saying that? He needs to sue you.
And you don’t come off as exactly professional, saying what you just did above this posting space.
Magadena?
HUH?
A little dimwitted?
Christine Baker—NOT a real Christian, NOT a real American
I am a Private Investigator licensed through the Arizona Department of Public Safety and am on staff with a law firm as well as owning my own agency. In the past I have used RIPOFFREPORT to gather intelligence in an effort to help consumers and victims in various crimes and scams. Neither I nor anyone that I know is listed on RIPOFFREPORT. I have had the displeasure of speaking to Magedson personally and find it uncomfortable.
Ed and his staff have sent me emails calling me a lair and making general threats. The emails were as unprofessional as I have ever seen and there seems to be no concern that the information transmitted was wrong. My observation was there seems to be no general competent leadership from that organization.
Keep in mind my dealings with him have only been in trying to assist others. I have never had reason to discuss complaints about anyone I knew with him.
Calling me a liar and maligning me is not a good idea. I take great umbrage to cowardice. Sitting behind a computer and harming people for your own gain when you aren’t man enough to handle it man to man is a repugnant idea to me. Yet we are in a computer age so fire must be fought with fire.
Using my skills as a Private Investigator I have tracked Edward down. To my knowledge no one has served him personally, a fact he brags about. Ed Magedson is the trustee of the Sylvia and Martin Magedson trust. As such he is allowed to take a fee as the trustee.
You will see that the address of 2033 W McDowell Blvd Apache Junction, AZ 85220 is in the name of the trust. Ed Magedson refinanced the house in September 2006 for $417,000.00. Again, he is allowed to take a fee as trustee.
You will find that Ed Magedson filed an unlawful detainer against Eric Skelling at the same address earlier this year. Mr. Skelling is reported to have used P.O. 310 Tempe. Several other people use the box as well, many of them connected to Tupper Lake, NY. RIPOFFREPORT has many listings of Tupperlake, NY and there is evidence that Ed Magedson still has connection there.
It appears that the aforementioned trust also owns property at 6426 S McClintock, Tempe AZ. Stein Mart is located at that particular address but also has Original Business Concepts which is also cross referenced to the P.O. Box. Nevada Secretary of State has this as a LLC with the member David Bedore. The P.O. Box has activity from a couple of different Bedores but their residences appear to be Tupper Lake, NY.
I have viewed the documents on the internet whereby Magedson has attempted to sell his business Remediation Program. I have also seen the letters where his attorney has attempted to distance Magedson from selling that program.
One of Magedson emails to me included a glowing reference from Western Capital, Robert Paisola. If you Google Paisola you will see he is on Utah’s Sex Offender Registry and there will also be an appeal to the Federal Courts. The appeal references several fraud convictions by Mr. Pasiola. If you go to Western Capitals web site you will see he claims to have a relationship with RIPOFFREPORT where he sells the Business Remediation Program.
Prior to receiving Magedson’s emailed Paisola reference I had no reason to suspect he was anything other than what he claims to be. My attention was caught when he sent the reference that I didn’t ask for. Almost an alibi. For what I wondered, so I dug in.
Paisola has his own issues which includes another trip to Federal Court.
There are many uncollected judgments against Magedson. The courts will have to decide if what he is doing is wrong. As for me I have offered plaintiffs counsel any help they need to execute on these judgments and to provide further information as to the finances of Magedson. For free.
Here’s a moral to the story. Don’t make enemies out of people when you don’t have to.
Christine,
I have read your writings about Magedson and Miller with interest. What’s interesting is that Miller has recently offered to give out the Magedson deposition. I have a copy and found close to the end of the document the social security question comes up. Magedson claims he gave you the social security number at your request. Hard to understand that one.
I can’t believe this is STILL going on. Magedson sent the mail with Miller’s home address, phone #, dob and ssn on 12/16/2004.
So what if I had asked Magedson for Miller’s snn?
While I didn’t, (why would I care?), it’s completely irrelevant.
The question is where Magedson got this supposedly private data.
No law enforcement or any attorney ever contacted me about this.
Is the depo published anywhere?
And just last week someone emailed that a $45,000 check from Federated Financial bounced. However, I’m not even sure it’s related to Miller or whether it’s true. Haven’t seen the returned check, according to the email, the signature wasn’t readable, but it definitely wasn’t Miller who signed it.
The saga continues, another 50 years?
I agree, where does this private data come from and why ask for it. You are of course given the benefit of the doubt but one has to wonder how many times has this information been obtained and the reasons. Has yours been obtained?
You may request your own deposition at this site:
http://bad-business-rip-off.net/hycite.html
Say what you will about Steve Miller, the information he has put together is interesting, his agenda doesn’t matter, it is after all public record.
What you will also find there is a somewhat recent Order of Protection where the complainant claims his SSN has also been obtained.
You ponder that law enforcement hasn’t talked to you? Maybe they just didn’t have all the facts.
They have the facts, I even talked to the police because Miller claimed that he couldn’t file a police report.
I had a look at the depo and Miller must be braindead. He knows that Magedson committed perjury. I never asked for Miller’s personal info, Magedson sent Miller’s SSN and personal data for posting on the net.
Miller has had EVERYTHING including Magedson’s email (just read here, it’s all posted), forwarded by me to him to let him know what was going on.
And his attorney is obviously an idiot too. You don’t need anyone’s SSN to sue them. How they pass the Bar is beyond me.
Miller is one dumb SOB.
I suppose it wouldn’t be the first time that one has accused ED of lying. Could it be that he wanted you to post the information instead of himself? Have someone else do his dirty work so he can appear to have clean hands?
How many times I wonder has the same thing occured in the posts of ROR? How many times has he whispered a paranoid thought into the ear of another knowing they would create a post.
So far as the social security numbers go though, it has been conjectured that the use of those will confirm whether the plum is ready to picked from the tree so to speak. To have an understanding whether the next CAP mark had the financial whereforall to pay up.
Another thought is that the ultimate revenge would be to get the social security number and pass it along to some Russians or other eastern block countries. Ouch!!!!
Now the question again comes up as to where he got these. I say these because the order for protection filed against him also has the social security number claim. How many does he have? What has he done with them?
Magedson lied. Miller lied.
It’s asshole v. asshole.
The government is corrupt, The judicial system is corrupt. Law enforcement is corrupt
As I posted, the morons who investigated the illegal access at Choicepoint did NOT want to investigate.
